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Nov 27, 2007
30. Re: Exposed email addresses Oct 18, 2008 2:22 PM
in response to: Ken Jones
S3Indiana wrote:
there is a large number that are seeking attention from search bots...

Are you claiming they're being used as spambot bait -- or do you have some other conspiracy in mind? Either way, the idea is (as I wrote before) ridiculous.
Click to view Paul Taylor's profile Paul Taylor 19 posts since
Apr 7, 2008
31. Re: Exposed email addresses Oct 19, 2008 7:48 PM
in response to: JDoyle

Maybe you cannot distinguish between an email selling questionable drugs, advertising porn or the like, and an email passing on important information that the intended recipient needs to be informed about for security reasons. There is a difference, though, even though some here are deliberately trying to obfusticate that difference.

Any way, we will see what the owners of those email addresses think about it shortly and that will answer the question definitively.

Paul

Click to view JDoyle's profile JDoyle 227 posts since
Nov 27, 2007
32. Re: Exposed email addresses Oct 19, 2008 9:25 PM
in response to: Paul Taylor
An unsolicited email, is an unsolicited email. Period.

It makes no difference if it is an advertisement for viagra, or a warning from someone who thinks he knows what is best for everyone else. (Those selling the viagra think they know what is best for you too. They just have your best interests in mind...)

I find it ironic that you are choosing to use the very same tactic, spam, to 'help' others avoid being spammed.

Seems to defeat your purpose doesn't it? To spam people to warn them about the risk of spam...

JD

Click to view Paul Taylor's profile Paul Taylor 19 posts since
Apr 7, 2008
33. Re: Exposed email addresses Oct 20, 2008 2:44 AM
in response to: JDoyle

It is tiresome arguing with the likes of DrJones and JDoyle who seem to wish to whitewash anything done on this site.

First of all, it is claimed that these emails are being exposed to the Internet deliberately. Now you are claiming that if I send them an email that I am Spamming them.

'Heads I win, Tails you lose.'

  • that is just the talk of tyrants.

SPAM is not just unsolicited email. 99% of email messages are 'unsolicited'. When a friend writes to you, you did not 'solicit' their message.

In order for a message to constitute SPAM it must be a wrongful use of the email address. Not only that, it has to be sent for the purpose of benefiting the sender in some way, not for the benefit of the receiver. That is why the term 'unsolicited' is used, to distinguish between emails sent by legitimate businesses, who acquired your email address in a legitimate way and emails sent by Spammers, who have harvested your email address without gaining your permission, and are now bombarding you with their unwanted garbage.


If you cannot tell the difference betwen that and what I have proposed doing, I think there is no hope for you.


Besides, I have finished arguing for common sense here, it does seem to be a lost cause. I will now wait a day or two longer for a response from Xandros, and, failing that, I will start to contact the people concerned. Since their email addresses are open to the world here and here there can be no objection to me, in a one-off email, drawing their attention to this fact and advising them as to what they need to do to correct this if it is not what they are wanting. To me that is just common decency.

Call me names, if you will, I have no more time for your arguments and will simply ignore them from now on.

Paul

Click to view JDoyle's profile JDoyle 227 posts since
Nov 27, 2007
34. Re: Exposed email addresses Oct 20, 2008 6:37 AM
in response to: Paul Taylor
It is tiresome arguing with the likes of DrJones and JDoyle who seem to wish to whitewash anything done on this site.
It is tiresome arguing with the likes of Paul G Taylor, who seems to see conspiracies everywhere...

First of all, it is claimed that these emails are being exposed to the Internet deliberately.
An unsubstantiated claim. It is your opinion that it is intentional, and done with malice.
When a friend writes to you, you did not 'solicit' their message.
Friends are always welcome to send me an email. Total strangers, from an internet message board, with a personal axe to grind, are not. And if they do, it's spam.
In order for a message to constitute SPAM it must be a wrongful use of the email address.
...
emails sent by Spammers, who have harvested your email address without
gaining your permission, and are now bombarding you with their unwanted garbage
Again, exactly what you are planning to do.

JD
Click to view JDoyle's profile JDoyle 227 posts since
Nov 27, 2007
35. Re: Exposed email addresses Oct 20, 2008 7:56 AM
in response to: JDoyle

For the record, as previously posted, documentation exists for modifying one's username.

http://community.cnr.com/docs/DOC-1030


JD

Click to view Paul Taylor's profile Paul Taylor 19 posts since
Apr 7, 2008
36. Re: Exposed email addresses Oct 21, 2008 10:11 PM
in response to: JDoyle

For the record, I did not and do not imagine any conspiracy here. That issue was rasied by some else, in contention with the white-wash effort that is going on here.

The issue is, that, contrary to all good practice and advice, the private and formerly secure information that people are submitting in all good faith, is being revealed to the whole world, particularly search-bots and hence, by implication, to the spammers' scrapers which will have ready access to them, to add them to their lists of addresses used both to spam and then on-sell to other spammers, indefinitely.

I do not believe that anyone would have consciously and deliberately chosen to do that themselves, but it has come about, indirectly, due to the way that the transition from CNR Warehouse to CNR.com was carried out.

Specifically, the email address, which used to be the secure log-in identity for the CNR Warehouse, has been carried over as the default for the unsecure log-in to CNR.com. Then, as a secondary, unintended effect, when that person subsequently joins the community at 'community.cnr.com', their log-in identity is included in the URL of their Profile at http://community.cnr.com/people.

I was appalled when I discovered this fact after doing a Google search on my email address. I immediately reported this discovery here and on the Freespire forums and asked for it to be redressed. So far, I have had an acknoledgement from Xandros that the problem exists, that it is not an intended situation and that they would do something to correct this situation. That was nearly two months ago. To date nothing has changed and folks are still signing up to the forums here and having their email address then revealed to the world.

What I have proposed is that Xandros, the new owners of CNR.com and the forums, should email those affected so that they can take remedial action themselves, pending a change to the web page to prevent the recurrence of this problem. In the case where they fail to do so, within reasonable time-frame, I have said that I would do so myself. For that I am being accused of being a Spammer myself. Oh well, shoot the messenger if you do not like the message!

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